2015 Yamaha Smax
2015 Yamaha Smax
| Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:04 am | |
| Hooked Elite GTS li150 HOG Joined: 29 Mar 2009 |
| Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:29 am Ossessionato GTS, LX, VSD, VSX, VNX, LD 125, Chucky, LI125 Joined: 21 Oct 2005 | |
| Ossessionato GTS, LX, VSD, VSX, VNX, LD 125, Chucky, LI125 Joined: 21 Oct 2005 | 328 LBS for a 155cc bike? Thats what a GTS 250 weighs.... Pass. R |
| Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:48 am Ossessionato X10 350 Joined: 12 Nov 2008 | |
| Ossessionato X10 350 Joined: 12 Nov 2008 | glasseye wrote: 328 LBS for a 155cc bike? Thats what a GTS 250 weighs.... Pass. R It's also basically what a GTS125 weighs. Or what a GTS300 weighs. |
| Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:33 am Sponsor Granturismo 218 Joined: 04 Feb 2013 | |
| Sponsor Granturismo 218 Joined: 04 Feb 2013 | I like the rear suspension. I imagine the higher weight came from engineering a flat floor on a bike that can go as fast as this one can. And unless you're planning on carrying it somewhere, I don't see why the weight of the bike is an immediate non-starter. And remember, you are comparing the Yamaha's wet weight to the 360 lb. dry weight of the GTS. |
| Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:40 am Ossessionato GTS, LX, VSD, VSX, VNX, LD 125, Chucky, LI125 Joined: 21 Oct 2005 | |
| Ossessionato GTS, LX, VSD, VSX, VNX, LD 125, Chucky, LI125 Joined: 21 Oct 2005 | Motovista wrote: I like the rear suspension. I imagine the higher weight came from engineering a flat floor on a bike that can go as fast as this one can. And unless you're planning on carrying it somewhere, I don't see why the weight of the bike is an immediate non-starter. And remember, you are comparing the Yamaha's wet weight to the 360 lb. dry weight of the GTS. Weight of a gts is 151Kg +/- 5Kg...or 332 Lbs dry, according to the service manual. I will say it again, 328 Lbs for a 155cc bike makes it an overweight pig, IMHO. My Skipper with the GTS250 motor only weighs 272 Lbs. R |
| Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:54 am Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | |
| Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | Even allowing for the 10% error that most Japanese instruments have, this thing is generating some serious speed from a small engine. It would be a useful machine for getting to work in most locales. |
| Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:14 pm Ossessionato 2006 Vespa GT (Rocket): 2005 Vespa GT (Razzo): 2007 Vespa GT (Vanessa): 2009 Yamaha Zuma 125 (Zoom): 2018 Yamaha Xmax (Max), Joined: 26 Sep 2006 | |
| Ossessionato 2006 Vespa GT (Rocket): 2005 Vespa GT (Razzo): 2007 Vespa GT (Vanessa): 2009 Yamaha Zuma 125 (Zoom): 2018 Yamaha Xmax (Max), Joined: 26 Sep 2006 | It is clearly heavy and tall. And generic maxi styling. But indicated 85 mph in a draft and 80 on its own is very impressive. That plus Yamaha reliability and availability of parts and service might make it a spectacular scooter tourer. Cannonball 2016 might have several. I am tempted. |
| Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:20 pm Molto Verboso 2016 Piaggio BV-350 Joined: 17 Aug 2013 | |
| Molto Verboso 2016 Piaggio BV-350 Joined: 17 Aug 2013 | This is called the Majesty S in the UK. S-Max wouldn't fly in Europe - we already have one of those and its made by Ford. It's nice, but Yammy really need to start fitting ABS to their scooters as standard. For a new model, no ABS is an oversight, IMHO. |
| Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:28 pm Molto Verboso Nazgul Joined: 24 Oct 2005 | |
| Molto Verboso Nazgul Joined: 24 Oct 2005 | glasseye wrote: My Skipper with the GTS250 motor only weighs 272 Lbs. ...and is such a joy to ride, too! |
| Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:58 pm Ossessionato GTS, LX, VSD, VSX, VNX, LD 125, Chucky, LI125 Joined: 21 Oct 2005 | |
| Ossessionato GTS, LX, VSD, VSX, VNX, LD 125, Chucky, LI125 Joined: 21 Oct 2005 | jrsjr wrote: glasseye wrote: My Skipper with the GTS250 motor only weighs 272 Lbs. ...and is such a joy to ride, too! Well, it is now. The front end issue was taken care of, enough for the bike to taken out for a track day. All good now but I still won't ride it... But its light! R |
| Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:10 pm Hooked bv350 (sold) and now,'14 honda ctx700 dct Joined: 03 Aug 2014 | |
| Hooked bv350 (sold) and now,'14 honda ctx700 dct Joined: 03 Aug 2014 | howdy , I note that we don't get the t-max in the states. bummer, it's certainly the best riding of the 500's I have ridden. expensive though. 5 years ago the dealer near where I was had one on the floor for a couple years and wouldn't budge on the price. still 8,000 bucks. ken |
| Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:10 am Ossessionato X10 350 Joined: 12 Nov 2008 | |
| Ossessionato X10 350 Joined: 12 Nov 2008 | glasseye wrote: Weight of a gts is 151Kg +/- 5Kg...or 332 Lbs dry, according to the service manual. I will say it again, 328 Lbs for a 155cc bike makes it an overweight pig, A GTS 125 weighs as much as the "overweight pig" of a 150 you're complaining about. |
| Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:13 am Ossessionato X10 350 Joined: 12 Nov 2008 | |
| Ossessionato X10 350 Joined: 12 Nov 2008 | kz1000ST wrote: Even allowing for the 10% error that most Japanese instruments have, this thing is generating some serious speed from a small engine. It would be a useful machine for getting to work in most locales. Ah, yes. If only those Japanese instruments were as accurate as those on Piaggio Group scooters. |
| Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:49 am Addicted GTS 300 ie - traded in; Honda CB300FA; Honda Ruckus scooter Joined: 12 May 2014 | |
| Addicted GTS 300 ie - traded in; Honda CB300FA; Honda Ruckus scooter Joined: 12 May 2014 | Very nice scoot. If it were available at the time I was buying the Vespa, almost certainly it would be parked by my place instead. At the same time I have to say - what's with the small wheels? During my scooter research I went to Google Streetview and "browsed" a couple of Italian cities to see what scoots they have. If anyone knows about scooters (their practical side) it's Italians. 95% of the scooters I saw there were big-wheelers. Every time I ride over bigger bumps/potholes with my GTS I can understand why (and there are plenty of those in Toronto). (Unfortunately, the very few big-wheel scoots that were available during my scoot-search were not the type I wanted to buy.) |
| Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:03 am Sponsor Granturismo 218 Joined: 04 Feb 2013 | |
| Sponsor Granturismo 218 Joined: 04 Feb 2013 | glasseye wrote: Weight of a gts is 151Kg +/- 5Kg...or 332 Lbs dry, according to the service manual. R That's not what they claim on the European sites. The Non |
| Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:30 am Ossessionato 2009 MP3 500 - The Iridescent Chameleon, 2007 Yamaha Vino 125, 2016 Indian Scout Sixty Joined: 18 Jun 2010 | |
| Ossessionato 2009 MP3 500 - The Iridescent Chameleon, 2007 Yamaha Vino 125, 2016 Indian Scout Sixty Joined: 18 Jun 2010 | Motovista wrote: glasseye wrote: Weight of a gts is 151Kg +/- 5Kg...or 332 Lbs dry, according to the service manual. R That's not what they claim on the European sites. The Non 22 lbs. It's 11 either way... It seems like an interesting bike, and if I was looking for another, I'd have to definitely consider it. If, that is, I could find one around here, which may be a bigger task than you'd think. Despite having several Yamaha dealers in the area, they don't seem to really care about scooter sales. (Big surprise, huh?) Mark |
| Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:39 pm Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | |
| Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 |
| Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:12 pm Sir Frets-A-Lot Vespa GT250ie/L, Honda Ruckus 50, Honda NT700V, Honda CB125 Joined: 03 Nov 2005 | |
| Sir Frets-A-Lot Vespa GT250ie/L, Honda Ruckus 50, Honda NT700V, Honda CB125 Joined: 03 Nov 2005 | Benelli Boy wrote: kz1000ST wrote: Even allowing for the 10% error that most Japanese instruments have, this thing is generating some serious speed from a small engine. It would be a useful machine for getting to work in most locales. Ah, yes. If only those Japanese instruments were as accurate as those on Piaggio Group scooters. Actually, of every japanese bike I've owned (which so far is 5), absolutely every speedo has been dead on (including 30+ year old bikes like the Elite 250, the Ruckus, and three Honda motorcycles). Always matches perfectly to a GPS. |
| Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:48 pm Addicted Joined: 29 Jul 2008 | |
| Addicted Joined: 29 Jul 2008 | I love and prefer the Vespa look, but this is a do everything scooter at a great price...and for a modern look, I like it. 80 mph is as fast as I'd ever want to go, and where I'd be doing it is flat so that'd be ideal. I wonder if the maintenance schedule is the same as the PCX (which is every 1,000 for oil change if I recall correctly) compared to my Vespa Et4s annual oil change. I don't like doing maintenance on a more Chinese scooter level...I want to go further between service intervals. Eric |
| Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:23 pm Hooked bv350, Brutale 910 Joined: 19 Jan 2011 | |
| Hooked bv350, Brutale 910 Joined: 19 Jan 2011 | 80mph out of a 155cc w/ only 14.75HP-15.4 hp (I can't find an English source stating the hp), 80mpg, 328 lbs? The Sportcity 250 weighs about the same, had 22hp, and top speed (paced by car) was only about 75mph fully tucked. No one else is going to call "BS"? (that dash is super nice though... ) |
| Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:31 am Ossessionato X10 350 Joined: 12 Nov 2008 | |
| Ossessionato X10 350 Joined: 12 Nov 2008 | TheO.Z. wrote: Benelli Boy wrote: kz1000ST wrote: Even allowing for the 10% error that most Japanese instruments have, this thing is generating some serious speed from a small engine. It would be a useful machine for getting to work in most locales. Ah, yes. If only those Japanese instruments were as accurate as those on Piaggio Group scooters. Actually, of every japanese bike I've owned (which so far is 5), absolutely every speedo has been dead on (including 30+ year old bikes like the Elite 250, the Ruckus, and three Honda motorcycles). Always matches perfectly to a GPS. Yes. I was being a bit sarcastic. I thought the original "the 10% error that most Japanese instruments have" comment was way off the mark. Especially given that the poster was trying to defend Piaggio (and every Piaggio speedo I've had is always about 10% wrong). |
| Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:55 am Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | |
| Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | I was just trying to eliminate the "BS factor" faction when I said a 10% error. Dave Harrington at Justgottascoot.com tested a PCX http://www.justgottascoot.com/hondapcx.htm and said this: The VAST majority of scooters we test are optimistic to the tune of 10% - 15%. Not so with the PCX, at an indicated 30 MPH the actual speed was..... 30 MPH. At 40 MPH indicated the actual speed was 39 MPH and at 50 MPH indicated the actual speed was 48 MPH. The Honda PCX 150 is ever so slightly optimistic. The odometer was right on with our actual test of 11 miles indicating 11 miles. The top speed I saw on the GPS was 63 MPH on a level surface. He tested a broken-in PCX to see a top speed of 63. I felt that 72 mph as a top speed from a 155cc scooter was reasonable. Getting 80 mph out of a 10 cu. in. engine seems a bit much. |
| Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:02 am Addicted Joined: 29 Jul 2008 | |
| Addicted Joined: 29 Jul 2008 | I think there are two seperate reviews supporting that speed. It has two more valves on that cylinder and a higher compression ratio than the Honda pcx 150 which supposedly does 70 mph per several sites. I think it was the pcx 125 that only saw 63 mph. |
| Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:30 pm Hooked bv350, Brutale 910 Joined: 19 Jan 2011 | |
| Hooked bv350, Brutale 910 Joined: 19 Jan 2011 | I'm not letting this mpg/top speed/weight issue as the SMAX's stats would really make me have buyer remorse (of the BV350 I just picked up).
This video from Taiwan shows indicated 116kph (1:51). That's 72mph. A commenter said his SMAX did 116kph GPS verified, 125kph indicated. When someone shows the US version does 80mph GPS, and still gets 80mpg, I'm selling my scoot cuz the Japanese will have conquered us all, especially cuz this has a pet carrier that holds a full face helmet. |
| Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:58 pm Addicted Joined: 29 Jul 2008 | |
| Addicted Joined: 29 Jul 2008 |
| Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:13 am Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 | |
| Molto Verboso Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250 Joined: 07 Dec 2008 |
| Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:22 am Moderator 2006 PX 150 & Malossi Kitted Malaguti Yesterday (Wife's) Joined: 11 Dec 2007 | |
| Moderator 2006 PX 150 & Malossi Kitted Malaguti Yesterday (Wife's) Joined: 11 Dec 2007 | The reviewer mentions the seat height being a bit high for a "starter scooter", seemingly oblivious to the fact that 90% of SMax sales will be in countries where a 155 cc scooter is not a legal "starter". I would also note that the Smax falls into what Yamaha has defned as their "urban scooter" category. Sufficient speed to take the highway into town, yet compact and maneuverable for downtown. Thus, a wheel base more akin to a Vespa Sprint than a larger scoot (e.g. 6 in shorter than a BV) |
| Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:06 am Hooked bv350, Brutale 910 Joined: 19 Jan 2011 | |
| Hooked bv350, Brutale 910 Joined: 19 Jan 2011 |
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